Engadget:
Adobe has unveiled a raft of new apps and updates for Max 2017, most notably a big revamp of Lightroom CC to make it more cloud-friendly for mobile users. The centerpiece is an all-new Lightroom CC with a 1TB cloud service — the “Project Nimbus” app that leaked last year. It features a streamlined version of Lightroom CC that keeps images, edits and metadata synced in Creative cloud across PC and Mac, Android and iOS. For desktop users who prefer the current, non-cloud app, Adobe has re-branded it as Lightroom Classic CC.
To be clear — because Adobe’s new naming system is pretty darn confusing — Lightroom CC is a series of apps app and a service. As Adobe describes it, Lightroom CC “is designed to be a cloud-based ecosystem of apps that are deeply integrated and work together seamlessly across desktop, mobile and web.”
As usual for anything Adobe related, this will cause a lot of consternation among its users and customers. Personally, I will hold off “updating” for as long as possible.
You need to learn to edit/delete. 🙂
Ah, the very first post is yet another complaint. What is it with you Adobe whiners? As if you expect Adobe to listen to you? Well, it’s been FIVE years now, and the trend is even MORE towards subscription business models.
We’ve been CC subscribers from the get go, and we love it. We love the ready access to ALL of their creative apps. And now I’m itching to give the new tools a spin. Lightroom CC, especially, stands out for me as one I’ll use a lot more. I just realized today that the iOS LR has a great camera with a lot of nice features not found in the Apple camera app. And it shoots in RAW! Sweet! That’ll make the shots I take with my iPhone 7+ that much better. Can’t wait ’til my AT&T Next plan lets me trade up to the X next year!
While we appreciate your posts here on The Loop, we do not appreciate the pointless name calling. You can make your point perfectly well without calling other posters names.
Well you can update your present version of Lightroom “Classic” without dealing with the Cloud and you will find it much snappier with some useful additions.
I started playing with the newly-installed LR CC.
LOVE the simplified UI! The self-running “tour” suggested I try importing images, so I picked my iPhoto library, and I was shocked to learn I had 5,600 photos. So, what the hell, I clicked on “Import” and my hard drive started chattering away. It’s intriguing that Adobe is offering 1TB of storage for such.
But I really love the UI and the fact that I can now access all photos from my iPhone, as well. I also plan on getting the large iPad Pro, which should be really great for photo editing.
Life as a CC subscriber is good!
I’m a freelance Graphic and Web Designer, so sucked into the CC maelstrom and pretty much LIVE in Photoshop-InDesign-Illustrator – tho’ have been offloading more webby/app tasks to Sketch.
There is almost always a queue of updated apps waiting for me in the CC app. But given Adobe’s track record of breaking stuff that works, not fixing long-standing bugs in favor of ever more esoteric feature bloat and interface… cough… innovations. I approach all of it with extreme reluctance and trepidation. I am also loath to update any app in the middle of a live project. And if the studio is busy, that’s like all the feckin’ TIME.
Concerning the subscription model… yes’ I know. The CC sub did come in handy when I suddenly needed to work on an After Effects project… But it still gives me more motivation to give other promising third-party apps a fair shot … Still it’s not the terrifying annual tariff that Autodesk hammers AutoCAD users and other 3-D creatives with. Some single product suites cost more than the entire Creative Cloud subscription.
That Adobe is committed to the subscription model hasn’t changed its negative effects upon a portion of its users. Your use-case is not universal, and cheerleading every corporate decision without qualification reduces your credibility.
I wish at least one of my clients had standardized upon something like Sketch, Affinity, Acorn, or Pixelmator.
“. . .cheerleading every corporate decision. . .” is an obvious generality and exaggeration which therefore lacks any credibility itself.
After five years, you’d think Adobe would have re-thought its decision long ago if it were as horrible as its detractors have claimed.
But no, today’s statistic of 12,000 attendees at this year’s Adobe Max conference, the largest gathering of creatives, ever, seems to attest to its veritable success as well as its continuing progress.
Continued and chronic skepticism does nothing to improve your lot. It only serves to continue to trap you all in a limbo of conflict and eventual irrelevance.
You need to learn to edit/delete. 🙂
The thing is, 1) the sub model doesn’t impose a huge cost burden on any professional ($50/month/creative had better be trivial compared to the fully loaded cost of that person and if the person only needs 1 app it’s $20), 2) It keeps people current which, while not 100% a good thing (new bugs, etc), avoids a lot of ‘this version has a problem on this new OS’ things and 3) if someone just occasionally needs an app, there are good alternatives – Affinity Designer and Photo, Pixelmator, etc.
“But given Adobe’s track record of breaking stuff that works, not fixing long-standing bugs in favor of ever more esoteric feature bloat and interface… cough… innovations.”
THAT is the real problem, not the sub model per se.
Worth noting for anyone jumping in: By default, Lightroom CC will delete your original files from your local disk when it decides your photos are taking up too much space. You can turn this off (or increase Lightroom’s allowed disk usage) in the preferences.
If you intend to use other apps in addition to Lightroom CC, you should turn this off immediately.
I’m not being skeptical. I’m being selfish. Just as Adobe is.
We’ve likely had this discussion before.
Freelancers at my level only ever had to buy an upgrade when one of their primary clients did.
Mature apps are unlikely to undergo major revisions at this point.
On a more incremental release schedule, Adobe can stretch out its deadlines and take more time to provide fewer genuinely new features than the previous 18-month cycle required.
The subscription model is great for Adobe. As a shareholder, it’s great for me, too. As a customer, it is not.
<
blockquote>Google is paying 97$ per hour,with weekly payouts.You can also avail this.
On tuesday I got a great New Land Rover Range Rover from having earned $11752 this last four weeks..with-out any doubt it’s the most-comfortable job I have ever done .. It sounds unbelievable but you wont forgive yourself if you don’t check it
!ka171d:
➽➽
➽➽;➽➽ http://GoogleCashDigitalCareerPartTimeJobs/get/hourly… ★✫★★✫★✫★★✫★✫★★✫★✫★★✫★✫★★✫★✫★★✫★✫★★✫★✫★★✫★✫★★✫★✫★★✫★✫:::::!ka171lzzzzz
This is what I was going to say as well. You do not have to move to the Lightroom CC app and their cloud storage model. I updated my Lr CC (2015) to the new Lr Classic CC version which is just like what I’ve been using for the past few years. I keep my photos on an external drive; sync some to the cloud b/c they include 20GB of storage with your CC sub; you aren’t forced to go to the cloud model with 1 TB. You can even use both programs if you want. They have made the “Classic” version much faster in certain areas. What drove me crazy was moving from photo to photo and waiting for the “Loading…” preview to to actually load; that is way better with this new version! And supposedly if you use the “Embedded and sidecar” option for Previews on import then loading photos previews will be even faster. I haven’t tried that yet but that is what they’re saying.
While I get the desire to minimize cost… if $600/year is a material item on your cost side, you’re not charging enough :). Seriously, look at the math above… and that’s for a fairly modest wage.
Affinity Photo at least reads and writes PSD. The question, as always, is of course “how faithfully”?
I do think Adobe falls down in delivering meaningful, good features (here and there they add stuff that’s impressive but….) and I get the quality issue – it’s annoyingly stupid of them to have issues with APFS on High Sierra when Apple has betas. Don’t read my comments as a defense of them as a company, just that I don’t see the cost as a huge issue for anyone making a full-time living with the tools for the math reasons above.
Understood.
For apps like InDesign, many newer features from the past couple of years look a lot to me like little more than macros for organizing content. Illustrator gets some new tools, which is nice. Photoshop does too, but I’ve never used its full feature set. Acrobat’s dev team is still somewhere else entirely, smoking Microsoft’s leftover UI weed. Bridge occasionally helps with a certain kind of task, but had it never changed from its initial version, I’d never have noticed.
And that’s pretty much all I need from Adobe’s limited, one-or-all tier system.
The new apps are interesting, but seem to me like a deliberately fractured attempt to counter the presence of apps like Sketch. And of course, to make newer designers more dependent upon Adobe’s walled garden. 😉
Yeah, the lack of meaningful development is inexcusable. A subscription is kind of a contract – “give us a regular income stream and we’ll give you regular updates that improve things” and it sounds like Adobe is failing on that.
Have you checked out the Affinity stuff? Feature-Wise, it’s pretty damn good. I can’t vouch for the fidelity of complex PSD import/export, but it’s a really slick product. Sadly, I know nothing comparable to InDesign.
“Inexcusable” is something I’d apply to Adobe’s price structure more than to their software. Again, there’s not a lot of meaningful development that can take place with an app that’s had, what, 15 years to undergo refinement?
The most Adobe seems to be able to do is find ways to anchor good desktop apps to mobile apps and cloud services, and then convince people who already have online collaboration tools in place that they need yet another one. I don’t consider that added value.
I’ve looked at Affinity, and like what they’re doing very much; I certainly love the idea of leaner apps that don’t spew garbage and hooks all over my Library folders. Haven’t tested them at all, but as along as I still need at least two Adobe apps to get my work done, that’s not time well spent for me.
I need to look up the market share of QuarkXpress at this point, but I can’t say anyone I know is still using it.
I believe in supporting companies which support me. Apple, Adobe, Foundry, and others have been good to me—some of them for over three decades of my work and life.
Call that “grandfatherly advice” if you will. I’m proud to be a grandfather, figuratively and literally. Scoff at that if you must. I don’t care.
But I’m also proud of the fact that I’m still young and enthusiastic at heart about my work and about my future, and I’m grateful to these companies for providing at reasonable cost the great tools of my trade.
No system is perfect, but knowing that I get what I put my attention on, I try to emphasize the positive when and wherever possible.
Good for you. Do you also celebrate every time your favorite candy bar gets smaller while also rising in price?
I “scoff” at almost anyone who presumes to give me unsolicited advice while moving several sets of goalposts.
I appreciate the thought that I’m giving you advice. But I’m not, because I know you never take it. I also reject your feeble straw man argument about candy bars. Ridiculous.
Your advice was not solicited, but you condescendingly spewed it out anyway, then justified that presumption however your egotism demanded. You must be really fun at Thanksgiving dinners.
Your use-case is different from mine. But Adobe is giving me fewer new useful features and yet charging more for them. It’s not a straw man unless you categorically dismiss the opinions of anyone whose needs are different.
Hey Shawn, how about reining this character in? I’d say he’s a little over the top.
LMAO “HI! I’m Mr Pot. Please to meet you, Mr Kettle…” 🙂
So you can insult me, but I can’t call you out for it? Seriously, Archie?
Paying for the Adobe Creative Cloud all-apps subscription feels like going to an auto dealership and being told I’m required to pay for all the car’s options packages, whether I want them or not.
But “yay, Adobe.”