There’s a lot of excitement these days about the new APFS filesystem coming from Apple. I’m certainly excited about it; some of the promised features sound great. However, I’m going to make a bold suggestion: Don’t convert your production startup disk to APFS this Fall. Wait for the new filesystem to get some more mileage before making the switch. HFS+ is still a supported configuration for High Sierra, and sticking with the tried-and-true filesystem may save a lot of headaches and wasted time.
Mike is the founder of Bombich Software, the makers of Carbon Copy Cloner, so he knows a lot about file systems.
yes and look out for meteors, because you never know!
Agreed, this is a little bit alarmist, or at least extremely conservative.
Mike’s post ignores the successful rollout of APFS on iOS devices, and the fact that nobody is required to use snapshots, at least that I’ve heard.
My hope is that the filesystem will be more efficient under load, like when I’m doing an Xcode build and other disk-intensive tasks at the same time.
There’s a rule of thumb I use when dealing with HFS+ file systems: If I haven’t just completed a disk repair, it’s corrupt.
If you have, there’s only a 50% it’s corrupt.
No, I’m not going to switch to APFS on the first day. I’ll wait a while and see what happens. But it’s definitely high on my list.
I am happy to wait and let the rest of you find the potholes first.
How long do you plan to wait?
I’m going to wait a few days, but unless there’s major problems I don’t see much point in waiting until 10.13.1. 10.13.1 is just as likely to introduce something new as fix something people haven’t hit. Likewise, HFS+ support is very likely to go sideways, though probably not as much as APFS at first.
So many factors to balance.
I still run a bit of older software that I’d rather not peremptorily disable before securing replacements, so I always wait a significant amount of time before upgrading my OS. I generally skip even numbers, too. It’s much more about continued security update availability than about the New Shiny for me.
I waited until Mavericks was deprecated to bump up to El Capitan. I’d skipped Lion, too. And I’m skipping Sierra as we speak.
The loss of support for 32-bit apps means I’ll need to find a way to conveniently keep running Quicken 2007, because it doesn’t appear as though the features I’m relying upon are likely to get added to that program’s current incarnation.
Well, his point on snapshots is likely coming from the fact that he makes and sells Carbon Copy Cloner so he’s invested in knowing the filesystem at a pretty detailed level in order to make sure his stuff works for his customers.
The lack of detailed tech docs IS an issue. It also makes me think that High Sierra is more in October vs September.
I’d advise dumping Quicken 2007. A 10year old program that doesn’t get updated isn’t going to get updated and at some point you’re either faced with running everything on a very old OS or biting the bullet and moving.
As the author of CCC, he absolutely should want access to tech docs and snapshot APIs.
it’s a leap from there to recommending that other people don’t update to APFS for those reasons.
He has an informed opinion. It doesn’t have to be the same as yours. Jesus, people, learn to deal with the fact that some people have different but equally valid opinions.
It was last patched a little over a year ago, I believe. Still working. As I said above, I bite that bullet when I absolutely need to.
Relax. We all have informed opinions. We’re discussing which opinion is more correct.
Example from the article: “But APFS doesn’t deliver substantively better security over CoreStorage Encryption on HFS+. There’s no impetus to move to this new filesystem this year rather than next year.”
I’m not looking forward to APFS for any possible security benefit, but for performance increases, such as constant-time file copies, fast directory sizes, and as I said earlier in this thread, file catalog write contention.
I still run a bit of older software that I’d rather not peremptorily disable before securing replacements, so I always wait a significant amount of time before upgrading my OS. I generally skip even numbers, too. It’s much more about continued security update availability than about the New Shiny for me.I waited until Mavericks was deprecated to bump up to El Capitan. I skipped Lion, too. And I’m skipping Sierra as we speak.For example, the loss of support for 32-bit apps means I’ll need to find a way to conveniently keep running Quicken 2007, because it doesn’t appear as though the features I’m relying upon are likely to get added to that program’s current incarnation.Until that happens, I’m probably sticking with 10.11 until Apple stops updating it.
I don’t think 32-bit apps are being dropped in 10.13. That’ll come some time later (probably 10.14).
That’s something of a comfort, I suppose. But each new OS requires a trip to both Roaring Apps’ compatibility database (assuming it’s still being updated) as well as scouring Macintouch’s old-farts-report-on-disabled-apps discussions.
I am happy to wait and let the rest of you find the potholes first.
I wonder what’s up with the copied commments from you and attributed to “Niek Hendriks” and “LordSnow” below?
Some new strategy for adbots?
I’d like to flag them for DIsqus, but I’m not sure about the category…
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Ach, that’s creepy.
I still run a bit of older software that I’d rather not peremptorily disable before securing replacements, so I always wait a significant amount of time before upgrading my OS. I generally skip even numbers, too. It’s much more about continued security update availability than about the New Shiny for me.I waited until Mavericks was deprecated to bump up to El Capitan. I skipped Lion, too. And I’m skipping Sierra as we speak.For example, the loss of support for 32-bit apps means I’ll need to find a way to conveniently keep running Quicken 2007, because it doesn’t appear as though the features I’m relying upon are likely to get added to that program’s current incarnation.Until that happens, I’m probably sticking with 10.11 until Apple stops updating it.
And those posts have upvotes too. The accounts weren’t created on the same day, they have different avatars… Perhaps they’re being prepared as spambots?
The video he showed was showing expected behavior, at least expected by me, after years of using different filesystems which APFS is similar to.
Lack of documentation is huge problem, but I’m pretty sure something will come out.
And another hours later, “Jack Chung” with an avatar and not even private. Odd and yes, creepy. For some reason they are picking up on your posts. Sloppy as well, no paragraph breaks. Maybe followed from another website?
The video he showed was showing expected behavior, at least expected by me, after years of using different filesystems which APFS is similar to.Lack of documentation is huge problem, but I’m pretty sure something will come out.
Possible. If I knew the answer, I’d tell you. I might have to delete this account.
I still run a bit of older software that I’d rather not peremptorily disable before securing replacements, so I always wait a significant amount of time before upgrading my OS. I generally skip even numbers, too. It’s much more about continued security update availability than about the New Shiny for me.I waited until Mavericks was deprecated to bump up to El Capitan. I skipped Lion, too. And I’m skipping Sierra as we speak.For example, the loss of support for 32-bit apps means I’ll need to find a way to conveniently keep running Quicken 2007, because it doesn’t appear as though the features I’m relying upon are likely to get added to that program’s current incarnation.Until that happens, I’m probably sticking with 10.11 until Apple stops updating it.
I don’t think it is your account per se, look above at sashk profile. Now his comment is being copied with a fake user “Shaker98 “an hour after his initial post.
I am reporting all to Disqus.
Ugh. Thanks, James.
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