Yoni Heisler, BGR:
While Apple tends to keep upcoming technologies and features under lock and key, its upcoming facial recognition software will likely be based on technology it acquired when it purchased an Israeli machine learning company called Realface earlier this year. Consequently, a close examination of Realface’s cutting edge technology can provide us with a number of significant clues as to what we can expect out of the highly anticipated iPhone 8.
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The company also claims that its software can recognize faces with an impressive 99.67% success rate, a figure which is actually higher than the 97.5% success rate most humans are capable of when it comes to recognizing faces.
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Realface’s technology is said to be so sophisticated that it can filter out photos, videos and even sculptures designed with the express purpose of tricking the software.
Fascinating tech.
Yep yet pictures will start unlocking phones now!
It specifically says it filters out photos
Accidental Tech Podcast brought up something some people have mentioned: What if someone grabs your phone and shows it your face then runs off? Will there be a secondary verification? If so, how is that better than current TouchID which does not work if someone grabs your phone?
I’m curious to see Apple’s solutions to these and other face recognition problems and see if they actually work reliably. Despite Apple’s track record of getting these things more right than competitors (see aforementioned TouchID), I’m skeptical.
FUD flinger.
i love how FUDers like you dont get that Apple thinks about this stuff and builds working solutions first. you guys panicked over biometric fingerprint scanners, now you love them (because Apple got them to work correctly). typical.
that is such an absurd, ultra-niche use case its not even worth mentioning. it’s idiotic really — what if a mugger pulls a gun on you and forces you to unlock your device then runs off? THEN WHAT?! OH NOS!!!!
seriously. just stop. no solution is 100% bullet proof, and thats OK.
Impressive recognition capabilities. I wonder if fingerprint technology will still be implemented. Of course we will still have passcode. It is important and convenient to have some method to unlock your phone without having to hold the phone up to your face though, or even look at it. I am curious as to what Apple has figured out.
Ok, yes, fairly absurd.
Although, the mugger with a gun probably will shoot me because I’ll be too shaky to hold the phone, much less unlock it. ?
Well it’s ATP.
I still do not understand why this is an interesting feature on a phone and why it’s better than Touch ID. On my MacBook? sure, it’s nice to have it unlock as I walk up with the Watch on and I can see how it would be nice to make that feeling universal so that all Macs unlocked as you approached because they know it’s you. On a phone… what’s the advantage?
How is that any different that a person grabbing their spouse’s phone while they sleep and “borrowing” their finger to unlock it?
At least in your scenario, you are being shown your phone. If you don’t take notice of someone showing your phone, you have other issues, lol.
it’s true though – no solution is completely bullet-proof unless you got with a multi-step solution (touchID+Facial recognition+passcode)
Ask anyone with a career that involves dirty hands or gloves. TouchID wont trigger and in many cases the gloves are not conductive enough to tap a passcode easily. Options are good as long as they maintain or exceed an existing level of security.
Also, I would wait to see how apple’s solution actually works before tying to understand it. Like fingerprint scanning before TouchID, we have a loose understanding of the tech due to other manufacturer’s more primitive implementations. Lets see how it works and how it’s implemented before we worry about how useful it is. it reminds me of the AirPods; sounded just like regular old bluetooth earbuds until the W1 chip was explained with it’s ease of pairing, could account registration fro multiple device, superior connectivity and battery life.
“How is that any different that a person grabbing their spouse’s phone while they sleep and “borrowing” their finger to unlock it?”
That’s pretty funny and not something I ever thought of doing or being done. I actually have my wife add her fingerprint so she can log in if she wants or needs to. To stream music or whatever.
But yea, now that you mention it…. I can see a non trusting spouse, possibly for good reason, doing this, of course.
Well, according to the rumors, this facial recognition is going to work even at other angles, so supposedly they wouldn’t have to hold your phone up to your face. It could unlock as they take it.
Again, however, as already pointed out and I knew anyway, there are always ways around things and some of them may be unlikely. A thief isn’t likely to hang around long enough for the phone to unlock.
Multi-step? It’s hard enough for me to get people to set up a passcode. 🙂 More than 4 digits was like squeezing blood from a stone.
OK, I can see that example. It just feels odd to have a feature that solves what I imagine is a pretty edge case.
As far as waiting to discuss.. no. Sorry. That’s kind of the point of this – feel free not to discuss, but I think it’s perfectly fine to spend a bit of time talking about stuff even though we don’t have the feature itself. After all, Touch ID works pretty much as we’d anticipate. The AirPods are cool, but are basically really nice BT ‘phones. Yes, details add polish and distinction but it’s not as if either of those examples radically changed what the feature was. Touch ID is a quick, accurate fingerprint authenticator. AirPods are high quality BT earbuds. It’s not as if AirPods suddenly were the audio equivalent of $500 headphones or Touch ID was something vastly different than good fingerprint ID.
I wouldn’t dream of doing it but I know of someone who had significant other try it but the woke up as it happened… hence the word “had”, lol…
“this facial recognition is going to work even at other angles, so supposedly they wouldn’t have to hold your phone up to your face”
I would hope Apple would ham-string it a bit so that it’s more obviously an intentional scan. I get the angles portion of the intelligence behind it, but I would hope that the unlock mechanism requires the face to take up a decent portion of the screen or else someone can trigger it from a distance. It should not unlock if my face is less than 50% of the screen I would hope. That should kind of indicate to the system that I’m not the one holding it.
Oh, I agree about the multistep too. Luckily my secrets aren’t that valuable. Thumbprint/passcode is good enough for me. I just mean that’s the only “true” way to get close to 100% secure.
My wife knows my passcode and I know hers. We don’t have to worry about sneaking each others’ fingers to buy stuff, either, because all our credit cards are maxed. Hooray!
“It just feels odd to have a feature that solves what I imagine is a pretty edge case”. It’s not. I have a lot of friends in trades that absolutely destroy their hands/fingertips; especially construction/concrete, landscapers and plumbers (cue “these are the people in my neighbourhood”. You may not run into it every day but it’s a daily grind for many.
You misunderstand –– I don’t mean to say don’t discuss, what I mean is we just are not going to understand the tech behind it until it’s announced so I don’t recommend people assuming they “get it” until they clue us in on how they implemented it – if at all. We come to these sites specifically to discuss and I’m nobody to tell people what to do with their opinions. It’s just that there is a danger of misunderstanding the tech because we assume it works like other, previously released implementations.
“After all, Touch ID works pretty much as we’d anticipate” – no it didn’t. Not until we saw the underlying tech explaining the ring that triggered the sensor reading. That it wasn’t reading the top dermal layer but a few layers down. That it was triggered by the electrical charge in our bodies contacting the outer ring, thus preventing dismembered digits from bringing the sensor reading (which was the reason for a great deal of the FUD revolving around it at launch). We didn’t know any of that until closer to release when it leaked.
Also you underplay the technology in the AirPods. They have wider range and better battery life than any similar devices and it is further proven by looking at the gains between the Beats Solo2 and the 3 (with W1). It’s gets better pairing, better range, better sound and more than double the battery life just by including W1. I have experienced this first hand. You shouldn’t just focus on sound quality on the air pods as there is no “non-W1” (the internals are clearly different that the EarPods) to really compare them to, plus they aren’t sealed so they were never going to compete sonically with more expensive sealed and tuned cans. You are paying for the wireless tech and convenience rather than enhanced soundstage (thought they do sound pretty good for what they are).
Fair enough on the edge case comment.
On the rest, you misunderstand my point (which is likely me not being clear enough). Touch ID works like we thought it would from an everyday user point of view. Yeah, tech pundits were all “OMG faking fingerprints!!!” etc. but most of us looked at the feature and said “Oh, a fingerprint scanner – you press your finger on it, it reads and unlocks…”
The underlying tech isn’t the point for most of us, it’s how it’s used. Same for the AirPod. I get that there’s a lot of cool underlying tech there too, but from a consumer point of view they and Touch ID are straightforward features. Few endusers care that much about the sophistication of the implementation.
Hell, look at the touchscreen on iPhones etc. The tech behind that, especially for this like incidental contact rejection, is impressive. But most people don’t care. They just assume that swiping will move the screen and… it does.
PS: IN case it’s not clear, Im not at all against facial rec being added. I was just puzzled that it was something that would be in demand.
“On the rest, you misunderstand my point” – two way street, I’m sure I’m not helping much.
I totally see your point –– and you are right for the layman. It works reliably and that’s all that matters. The devil is in the details however and it’s important to understand how one implementation of tech differences from another because once you cross a new threshold you can’t come back. It’s easy for some to say “fingerprint scanning been done already, this isn’t innovative” until you see how it works. Same with this face scanning; it’s been done –– and very poorly I might add –– so someone hearing that the iPhone will have it would make anyone without details very skeptical (as I was/am) which is why I’m holding off judgment till more details come out. I felt the same way about TouchID before I knew what it was, too.
The customer standpoint is “what does it do for me”. When they see TouchID can’t be fooled by friends or family, they know it’s not the same as other implementations –– and I hope it’s the same thing here too. Same with the AirPods in how they pair, charge, how they are automatically connected with their other devices though their iCloud account… if they have ever tried any other Bluetooth audio devices they will be familiar with drops in connection and pairing issues and will see a difference –– even if they don’t know what W1 is. They will notice, especially if they have to use another device, even if they don’t have interest in the underlying tech.
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